May 29, 2019 4,000 finished lugers mostly in the white and proofed in berlin with crownn august weiss, since 1922 the chief weapon maker of dwm, he would stay in oberndorf to the end 1946. Fitted with orig checkered black composition grips and a black fxo magazine with black composition base that bears the waffenampt 37. The most popular luger of all times is the black widow variation. The name black widow has nothing to do with the gun or its specs. This luger has a deep blue, almost commercial color to it. Aug 18, 2017 featured is a swiss 1906 made in germany, german navy p. The luger is obsolete today, but still quite attractive to collectors. This is a beautiful example of a complete black widow mauser luger rig, as it wouldve been produced and issued to the nazi army in 1941.
Its sleek design and its infamous connection to nazi germany have been factors in its continued popularity. Featured is a swiss 1906 made in germany, german navy p. Similar reports indicate that the parabellum was issued to german. Known as the black widow, this gun was manufactured by mauser co. I dont know too many collectors that have not been taken at least once. Black widow lugers, artillery lugers, and complete luger. Over 100,000 german translations of english words and phrases. Some of the controversy has become heated with luger books by reliable authors being misquoted and positions being overstated much like a political debate. This is the rare second subvariation with eagle 5 proofs on the right side of the receiver. Three digit serial number numbers match black bakelite grips marked with 41, byf, p. The late production mausers have been termed the, black widow lugers due to the late warm all salt blued finish in a very dark color and the late p. There is basic holster wear on the sideplate and muzzle, as well as some. Additionally this has the black bakelite grips and magazine bottom making this a black widow rig.
Iirc, it was ralph shattuck who coined black widow moniker for the byf 41 and byf 42 lugers that had black phenolic grip scales and and black phenolicbase fxo magazines. I have in my possession a very nice luger that i received about a year ago from the widow of a dear friend and wwii vet. Double click on the image to zoom in to that point. Army that influenced the luger design adopted by the germany army in 1908. Luger black widow a lot of time has passed since you first posted for help in identification and value of your luger so youve probably gotten your answer, but if not, send me all the data on your luger and i can reference my copy of jan stills book of lugers mr. Luger gunsinvestment grade collectible german lugers. This is one of the rare parts guns that uses a typical co. Lugers at random hardcover by charles kenyon click here for more info. Code byf lugers with black bakelite grips are refered to as the black widow variation. Our black widow and minimaster minirevolvers evolved from our popular.
Unfortunately, 1939 and 1940 dates dont qualify for the title. Thousands of lugers were brought to the us as souveneirs by american gis after ww ii, and many are still in circulation. Also covered are lugers used by germanys ally, bulgaria, and the lugers tested by the u. Overall this is a excellent cond wwii luger that would make an great addition to any collection. Some of the 1940 vintage a very few, and 4142 lugers had them also, but primiarly the byf with black grips are a black widow. Lugers might be the most faked, redone, and tinkered with group of guns out there. Mauser luger byf 41 black widow rig matching for sale at. This is the correct original magazine for the rare black widow luger pistol of ww2.
Serial numbers are matching, except for the magazine. Serial number 2 is the only one known to survive and it is in a private collection. Over 55 luger variations are described with 460 photos and battle scenes. All serial numbers match on the gun except the unnumbered aluminum bottom extruded magazine. It has 41 chamber date and byf toggle link marking. Lyrically the album is agressive a lot of battlerap. The black plastic grips are what designates this gun as the black widow this luger has a. The result is enhanced stability and accuracy for the shooter. This is a term given to the 194142 late production lugers that used substitute black plastic grips and usually a black plastic bottom mag, which give them a very attractive and menacing look that has appealed to all collectors. Autoplay when autoplay is enabled, a suggested video will automatically play next. The weapon is in overall very nice condition with all matching numbers except it does not have the proper fxo magazine. Cjs57, i collect lugers and i have a black widow byf 41 like yours. This p08 holster is very similar to one shown on page 77 of luger holsters and accessories of the 20th century by. The initial luger pistols, plus others that had been ordered on a oneoff basis, as well as other variants that were tested, were recalled, refurbished and sold at auction by the ordnance.
Replaces all previous references on dwm and erfurt lugers. Mauser p08 luger black widow semi automatic pistol nra museums. The 4142 in itself is a hard to acquire model, this black widow rig is rare. Black and brown plastic grips on 1940 dated lugers there is some controversy concerning the issue of 194042 code and 1940 army banner lugers with black and brown plastic grips. The design was first patented by georg luger as an improvement upon the borchardt automatic pistol and was produced as the parabellum automatic pistol, borchardt.
Black widow lugers are mauser lugers with black plastic grips and a black plastic bottom magazine. This parabellum has a stock lug, is all blued as post 1936 lugers were with mauser and a hold open. Luger pistols were manufactured in germany and switzerland to very close tolerances and. Attached are photos of a so called black widow byf luger dated 41, with original black plastic checkered grip panels.
He also talks about the difference between a common ww2era mauser luger p. Mid1937 was when mauser stopped strawing the trigger, safety, and magazine release and switched to. Black widow luger byf 41 the firearms forum the buying. See more ideas about luger pistol, hand guns and guns and ammo. Many german arms were confiscated and destroyed or reissued by the allies to friendly nations. The piece was produced toward the end of the regular nazi army production. Luger pistol 1904 patent art illustration drawing printable instant download. Our clients are investors, collectors, and those who simply want to shoot one of the worlds most recognized and coveted hand guns. Unfortunately i lack the knowledge to properly grade or identify all the nuances that determine the value of this piece. This was an american invention, and had no german basis at all. Black widow lugers, artillery lugers, and complete luger rigs. It is a marketing term coined by a well known american collector, now deceased, based on the black finish and black bakelite grips that reflected a lower cost speedier production method employed by mauser starting in 1941.
Featured items, newest items, best selling, a to z. Among those the luger pistol german army designation pistole 08 was. German lugers for me is as big of an event as the release of another jmt album. This p08 holster is very similar to one shown on page 77 of luger holsters and. Germany devised a series of manufacturer codes intended to deny production information to the military intelligence services of other countries. Weapons lover the german luger was made by dwm in and issued to the. Dated 41 over the chamber, with byf code on the toggle. This piece is as close to 100% original finish as ive seen. Mauser s42 luger 9mm pr47987 mauser s42 luger 9mm caliber pistol. Eagle655 and eagleswastika proofs on appropriate parts.
Luger identification guide rework and nondwm lugers. The black plastic grips are what designates this gun as the black widow this luger has a deep blue, almost commercial color to it. Years after the deaths of their husbands the two widows were constant. German ww2 black widow luger magazine international. These distinctive pistols, with their black bakelite grips and unnumbered black plastic magazine bottoms are known as the black widow variant of the p08 luger pistol. A team of german producers called snowgoons, along with the elite underground hiphop artists a total of 26 bring on the heat. The pistole parabellumor parabellumpistole pistol parabellum, commonly known as just. It has black bakelight grips and black plastic bottom fxo magazine. The pistole parabellumor parabellumpistole pistol parabellum, commonly known as just luger is a togglelocked recoiloperated semiautomatic pistol that was produced in several models and by several nations from 1898 to 1948. Lugers were always the most highly prized war souvenirs, this is a gi bring back, not later surplus sale item, as the lack of any import markings reflects. Or hold down the key mac or the ctrl key pc and use the mouse wheel.
In the research i have done it appears to be a black widow. Welcome to phoenix investment arms, investment grade german lugers. Years after the war, these pistols would be given the name black widow by a. The 1920 dated and double dated rework lugers dwm and erfurt are in the lugers dwm commercial 18981929 gallery. Consequently, an original black widow mr shattuck term can only be a 41byf after about the q block or any 42byf.
Luger gunsinvestment grade collectible german lugersphoenix. I can attest that there is nothing more sickening then having someone later point out an obvious indication of tinkering on what you thought was a 98 percent pistol. Having two matching mags with your gun really adds to its valuecollectibility. Wwii mauser 1941 byf code luger pistol ten ring precision. This is a fin example of a byf 42 mauser made luger all parts matching inside and out. Thousands of lugers were brought to the us as souveneirs by american gis after ww ii. This is the standard 1 34 wide dark brown leather waist belt with aluminum luftwaffe belt buckle maker stamped r. The luger is well known from its use by germans during world war i and world war ii, along with the interwar weimar republic and the postwar east german volkspolizei. Sns of cn proofed lugers that came from berlin to oberndorf. To the best of our knowledge, all the examples shown are original pre1945 manufacture. Tips for buying your first luger pistol pre98 antiques. Mine has the 122 black plastic bottom magazine, so it is not numbered to my gun.
Both the black widow and the minimaster have a heavy vent barrel, a bull cylinder, oversized black rubber grips and comes with either. German translation of widow collins english dictionary. Still, lugers attempts to gain acceptance with germanys military met with resistance, due in large part to its small 7. Often called the greatest pistol ever made, the luger has reached legendary status. Chambered for the 9mm parabellum, this pistol has all matching serial numbered parts and is fitted with a set of factory original black bakelite grips. Fine black widow luger with 4 bbl, usual dovetail front sight and fixed rear sight. German translation of widow the official collins englishgerman dictionary online. See more ideas about luger pistol, pistol, hand guns. American rifleman a look back at the pistole parabellum. Or hold down the key mac or the ctrl key pc and click on the image. Black widow lugers are in high demand and they usually sell for a premium.
Apr 17, 2009 lugers might be the most faked, redone, and tinkered with group of guns out there. Lugers fitted with these grips and the black bottom fxo magazines came to be known by the ominous nicknamed black widow. The pistol is all matching with 9798% blue remaining. Luger identification guide rework and nondwm lugers 19151945 this is one of a series of identification guides for small arms. While the p08 remained the sidearm of the reichswehr and germanys police forces, many surviving lugers were remanufactured to 7. Mid1937 was when mauser stopped strawing the trigger, safety, and magazine release and switched to salt bluing the entire gun.
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